Friday, July 24, 2009

Is the definition of "racial profiling" so hard for some people to understand?



Supposedly each generation becomes "weaker and wiser". It's more like weaker and idiotic. I wanted to bang my head against the wall every time I heard people claimed that Henry Gates was "racially profiled". I know I'm not the last person in this country that still believes in the art of common sense thinking. Liberalism is a mental disorder. Michael Savage is 100% in that claim. Professors are thought of as being intelligent people. That's debatable. I want to know how come a so called scholar Henry Gates didn't understand the definition of what "racial profiling" is and how it didn't apply in his conformation with Sgt. Crowley.

10 Comments:

Blogger p. anthony allen said...

CB;"Henry Gates didn't understand the definition of what "racial profiling" is and how it didn't apply in his conformation with Sgt. Crowley".

Everybody make's mistakes Tyrone. Perhaps he's no different than you in that, you called Gate's experience with Sgt. Crowley a "CONFORMATION", whereas Gates believed he was profiled. (ahhhh... did you mean to say "confrontation"?)

Could that possibly be a "Freudian slip" Tyrone? You did imply that Blacks should "CONFORM" in a subservient manner to White policemen. You believe that even in your own home Blacks should conform, or face arrest!!

CB;"YOU CAN NOT SHOOT YOUR MOUTH OFF AT A COP REGARDLESS OF THE LOCATION AND NOT BE EXPECT TO BE ARRESTED!!!".

7:42 AM  
Blogger conservative brother said...

p allen "Everybody make's mistakes Tyrone. Perhaps he's no different than you in that, you called Gate's experience with Sgt. Crowley a "CONFORMATION", whereas Gates believed he was profiled. (ahhhh... did you mean to say "confrontation"?)

It wasn't just Gates allen that didn't know what true racial profiling is, many others were regurgitating the the same thing in calling it a case of racial profiling. If people in this country don't even know what racial profiling is allen, why is it to be expected that they actually know what "racism" truly is?. I've heard people call Sgt. Crowley a "racist", they really can't say "how he is a racist".Have we gotten to a point now that if any white officer arrests a black man, he or she is automatically "a racist by default"? The "racist" has been so diluted, it has lost it's potency as a truly stigmatized
word.

p allen "Could that possibly be a "Freudian slip" Tyrone? You did imply that Blacks should "CONFORM" in a subservient manner to White policemen."

Subservient allen? You and your twisting of words lol lol

There is a major difference between being "subservient" and being "cooperative" allen. Am I to assume you
dont' know the difference? Gates was the one acting unprofessional. Notice that Gates hasn't denied anything in the police report. Can you explain to me and everybody reading this allen, why did Henry Gates bring Sgt Crowley's mother when Crowley said "we can speak outside"?

P Allen quoting me "CB;"YOU CAN NOT SHOOT YOUR MOUTH OFF AT A COP REGARDLESS OF THE LOCATION AND NOT BE EXPECT TO BE ARRESTED!!!".

I bet you allen that I couldn't get in the face of Obama and "shot my mouth off either" without being arrested. The Secret Service would have me arrested in a nano second. Certain positions of authority a person can't just mouth off. Ever heard the saying about that " you don't have to respect the president, but you must respect the title". The same goes for the police allen. It's not that hard to figure out.

9:44 AM  
Anonymous Chilerkle said...

I feel no sympathy for Henry Gates at his age he should behave like a law abiding citizen and with composure. He acted like a fool and got handcuffed and I love his candid picture of his arrest.

The way he acted I would have thought he's been in trouble with the law before.

3:03 PM  
Blogger p. anthony allen said...

CB;"Notice that Gates hasn't denied anything in the police report. Can you explain to me and everybody reading this allen, why did Henry Gates bring Sgt Crowley's mother when Crowley said "we can speak outside"?.

You have a computer Tyrone. I'll assume you have a television and that you read newspapers. Now answer this...Why were you able to obtain and post an interview, information and comments made by Sgt. Crowley, yet not be capable of obtaining the same from Prof. Gates?? Your bias is much to obvious!

Gale King interviews Prof. Gates on her Sirius radio broad cast. Gates directly and firmly denies what is in the police report.

I read in the local Detroit newspaper that Gates would be on the Gale King show. I'm sure if you had Googled something like, "Prof. Gates responds to arrest" or anything similar, you would have come up with several stories or links. But it does appear that you only want "ONE" side of the story...

CB;"I bet you allen that I couldn't get in the face of Obama and "shot my mouth off either" without being arrested.

Ahhhh... In case you don't know Tyrone...Obama is not a policeman.

6:27 PM  
Blogger p. anthony allen said...

Tyrone, you're trying much to hard on defining "Racial Profiling." Okay the definition you've given indeed applies, yet it is a portion, a narrow portion of how the term can be applied.

The United States Department of Justice also has a description of racial profiling in much broader terms.

"Racial Profiling Is Discrimination, and It Taints the Entire Criminal Justice System. Racial profiling rests on the erroneous assumption that any particular individual of one race or ethnicity is more likely to engage in misconduct than any particular individual of other races or ethnicities".

CB;"why did Henry Gates bring Sgt Crowley's mother when Crowley said "we can speak outside"?.

Gates refutes that. So, now we have a situation where someone isn't telling the truth, or, someone thought there mother was being insulted, or someone misinterpreted their mother was being insulted.

Here's the police report.

9:55 PM  
Blogger p. anthony allen said...

In reading through the report I've found what could be a viewed as (depending on how one would look at them) a couple of non-important facts, or possible blatant discrepancies.

On page 2 of his police report Sgt. Crowley states;

"With the Harvard University identification in hand, I radioed my findings to ECC and prepared to leave..ect..".
-his narrative continues in the same paragraph;
"At some point during this exchange, I became aware that Off. Carlos Figueroa was standing behind me. When Gates asked a third time for my name, I explained I had provided at his request two separate times...ect...

On page 3 Officer Figueroa states this;

"As I stepped in, I heard Sgt. Crowley ask for the gentleman's information which he stated "NO I WILL NOT!" The gentleman was shouting out to the Sgt. that the Sgt..was a racist and yelled that "THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS TO BLACK MEN IN AMERICA!" As the Sgt. was trying to calm the gentleman, the gentleman shouted "You don't know who your messing with!"
I stepped out to gather the information from the reporting person, WHALEN, LUCIA....ect..."
.

Officer Figueroa states that he was present to hear Sgt. Crowley ask for Gates "information". However, assuming that Sgt. Crowley's written report reflects a "chronological" order of event's (which I would think a seasoned officer detailed report would reflect), Officer Figueroa had to have been present to see either;

1. Gates give his "information" to Sgt. Crowley
2. Mr. Gates' Harvard University identification in Sgt. Crowley's possession.

Sgt. Crowley stated in the report that he noticed Figueroa behind him while he had Gate's I.D. in hand. Furthermore, Crowley states during the exchange of racial threats, he was "radioing his findings to the ECC", and it was "at some point" during that exchange he noticed Figueroa.

My question is, why didn't Figueroa state in his report that Mr. Gates had been identified, being that he was standing, (according to Sgt. Crowley), directly behind Sgt. Crowley?

Officer Figueroa also stated that he "stepped out", apparently while Mr. Gates continued to defy Sgt. Crowley's request to be identified. In my opinion, it would be derelict for an officer to simply "walk away" from a unidentified burglary suspect, particularly if that suspect is exhibiting "tumultuous" behavior.

I do feel that there are some legitimate questions that can be raised from the police report. However, it's possible I could be reading something into the report that's not really there... but who knows...

2:58 AM  
Blogger conservative brother said...

Chilerkle "I feel no sympathy for Henry Gates at his age he should behave like a law abiding citizen and with composure. He acted like a fool and got handcuffed and I love his candid picture of his arrest."

Henry Gates is pure scum. His attitude and demeanor validates it. I have no sympathy either for him. I don't care about the color of his skin, ignorance people period should never garner sympathy.

12:40 AM  
Blogger conservative brother said...

p allen "You have a computer Tyrone. I'll assume you have a television and that you read newspapers. Now answer this...Why were you able to obtain and post an interview, information and comments made by Sgt. Crowley, yet not be capable of obtaining the same from Prof. Gates?? Your bias is much to obvious!"

No conspiracy allen. I simply didn't see the information by Gates. Are you going to say that the people that were outside of Gate's house that saw him act the fool were all "bias" allen? You talk about me having a "bias" against gates. I'm not the one mouthing off at cops, and I'm not a person with a racial oversensitive chip on my should allen. You are the one exposing your bias in the constant defense of his indefensible actions allen.

p allen "Gale King interviews Prof. Gates on her Sirius radio broad cast. Gates directly and firmly denies what is in the police report."

Maybe he's denying it because in retrospect he realizes how bad it made him look. He can't deny what spectators saw on the outside of his house as Sgt. Crowley came out.

p allen "I read in the local Detroit newspaper that Gates would be on the Gale King show. I'm sure if you had Googled something like, "Prof. Gates responds to arrest" or anything similar, you would have come up with several stories or links. But it does appear that you only want "ONE" side of the story..."

Just tell me allen that Gates didn't mouth off at Sgt Crowley. Gates can say what his want, but Sgt Lashley "the black officer" was there and collaborate what Sgt. Crowley said. Are you calling Sgt. Lashley a liar allen?
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p allen "Ahhhh... In case you don't know Tyrone...Obama is not a policeman."

You're right about that allen. He's a community organizer so how playing the role of President. When he started to respond to the reporter's question about the Gates cases. He said originally that he dind't "have all the facts". At that point, he should have just dropped it right there. Nope, Obama went on to ultimately stick his foot in his mouth. Oh well.

12:50 AM  
Blogger p. anthony allen said...

CB"No conspiracy allen. I simply didn't see the information by Gates. Are you going to say that the people that were outside of Gate's house that saw him act the fool were all "bias" allen?".

Why don't you just answer the question as posed??? Stick to the subject...the question was about your bias. Your one sided attempt in not at least hearing or finding out what Gates had to say. I'm willing to listen to what anyone who was there have to say...including the "people outside of Gate's house"!

Cb;"Just tell me allen that Gates didn't mouth off at Sgt Crowley. Gates can say what his want, but Sgt Lashley "the black officer" was there and collaborate what Sgt. Crowley said. Are you calling Sgt. Lashley a liar allen?".

I read what Lashley had to say. However, I wasn't there...was I? So I dont know if he's telling the truth or not. I don't know if Gate's is telling the truth. I don't know if Crowley is telling the truth. I'm just reading and listening to what "ALL PARTIES INVOLVED HAD TO SAY"! (you know, like a judge and jury does in a court of law)

Again, I'm going to stick to my opinion that NO ONE SHOULD BE ARRESTED FOR CALLING A POLICE OFFICER A RACIST, AN IDIOT, A FOOL, OR SIMPLY "TALKING" ABOUT THE OFFICERS MAMA, WHILE "TALKING" IN THEIR OWN HOME!!!

4:49 AM  
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